<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">- the Beta version of Elive only supports 64 bit</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">- it was a no-go</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">- will stay with Stable 32 bit (Intel Atom)<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Dave<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 at 14:46, <<a href="mailto:group-request@bglug.ca">group-request@bglug.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Group mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Computers for disadvantaged (Brad Rodriguez)<br>
2. Re: Acer Aspire One (Anthony Morassutti)<br>
3. Re: Acer Aspire One (ted leslie)<br>
4. Re: Acer Aspire One (Dave Jackson)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 12:01:01 -0500<br>
From: Brad Rodriguez <<a href="mailto:brad@bradrodriguez.com" target="_blank">brad@bradrodriguez.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:group@bglug.ca" target="_blank">group@bglug.ca</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Bglug] Computers for disadvantaged<br>
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I got the impression somewhere that the schools, and the kids, are<br>
moving more to tablet computers, and not using desktops/laptops so<br>
much.<br>
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- Brad<br>
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On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 11:40:17 -0500<br>
Andrew Howlett <<a href="mailto:andrew@howlett.net" target="_blank">andrew@howlett.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> We had a refurbishing project in partnership with United Way. Closed<br>
> in 2019 before covid. There are a lot of low cost options available<br>
> now and honestly our refurbished PC s mighy not have been the best<br>
> option for low income people.<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 12:45:36 -0500<br>
From: Anthony Morassutti <<a href="mailto:moralater9@gmail.com" target="_blank">moralater9@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Bruce-Grey Linux Users Group <<a href="mailto:group@bglug.ca" target="_blank">group@bglug.ca</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Bglug] Acer Aspire One<br>
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Which Elive version did you use, stable or beta?<br>
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If it's the Stable version, that's likely your problem - it's built on<br>
Debian Wheezy so the software is really old.<br>
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On 02/01/2022, Remi Gauvin <<a href="mailto:remi@georgianit.com" target="_blank">remi@georgianit.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On 2022-01-02 10:25 a.m., Dave Jackson wrote:<br>
>> My friend just returned the [2008] 10" Acer I had loaned him many years<br>
>> ago.<br>
>> Time to resurrect from the dead and "play"!<br>
>> Added an SSD and 2Gb of ram.<br>
>> I had noticed one of the members promoted Elive, so loaded the 32 bit<br>
>> version.<br>
>> It looks good, boots fast and programs load quickly.<br>
>><br>
>> I ran speed tests and downloads are ~7 to 10 Mbps<br>
>> Sites that are data heavy eg: BBC, CBC are painfully slow to load.<br>
>> Firefox and Opera have the same speed issue.<br>
>> It has an Intel Atom processor. This may be the limitation?<br>
>><br>
>> Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to improve data heavy websites on<br>
>> "Mini-Me"?<br>
>> Thanx,<br>
>> Dave<br>
>><br>
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> Does adding 2GB Ram that is now your total?, Use top and free -m<br>
> commands to identify your bottleneck,, cpu or ram? I suspect ram.<br>
><br>
><br>
> In the output of Free commands, if the total of 'Mem' and 'Swap' values<br>
> in the 'Used' column exceeds your ram, that's going to degrade<br>
> performance very quickly,<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 13:25:52 -0500<br>
From: ted leslie <<a href="mailto:ted.leslie@gmail.com" target="_blank">ted.leslie@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Bruce-Grey Linux Users Group <<a href="mailto:group@bglug.ca" target="_blank">group@bglug.ca</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Bglug] Acer Aspire One<br>
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7 to 10 M(bits)ps? bits? I think if that's what your feed really is<br>
(internet speed test),<br>
then slow would be understandable.<br>
You can open the dev tools on either browser and look at network tab info,<br>
and it will show you a nice timeline of all the asset downloads and times.<br>
You can try one of those browsers that claims to have features to faster<br>
load big sites (i think they use a local cache and prune site). You can<br>
also try to switch your browser client info response to a mobile fake, and<br>
see if taking the mobile version of the websites helps (it should).<br>
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I know in some web site loading analysis I did a few years ago, and what<br>
was thought of<br>
as a straight forward "easy load" site was in fact 100MB.<br>
100MB at 8Mbps is a 1+ minute load time! You sure you are not talking MBps?<br>
At 8MBps you would be 90Mbps.<br>
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The dev tools will tell you the size of site page you grab, and you can get<br>
a better idea from that.<br>
I get 16MB for front page of CBC with then constant updates after that of<br>
1MB every few seconds.<br>
So at 10 Mbps that's probably 17 seconds fully load and complete render.<br>
In dev tools when I select mobile as client, i get 12 MB, so it appears it<br>
helps if you want to change<br>
your client type in browser, or browse with dev tools on all the time in<br>
mobile analysis mode :)<br>
BBC news comes in 7MB in mobile mode.<br>
So this type of analysis should tell you were bottle neck is.<br>
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-tl<br>
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On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 10:25 AM Dave Jackson <<a href="mailto:dave@the-jacksons.ca" target="_blank">dave@the-jacksons.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
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> My friend just returned the [2008] 10" Acer I had loaned him many years<br>
> ago.<br>
> Time to resurrect from the dead and "play"!<br>
> Added an SSD and 2Gb of ram.<br>
> I had noticed one of the members promoted Elive, so loaded the 32 bit<br>
> version.<br>
> It looks good, boots fast and programs load quickly.<br>
><br>
> I ran speed tests and downloads are ~7 to 10 Mbps<br>
> Sites that are data heavy eg: BBC, CBC are painfully slow to load.<br>
> Firefox and Opera have the same speed issue.<br>
> It has an Intel Atom processor. This may be the limitation?<br>
><br>
> Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to improve data heavy websites on<br>
> "Mini-Me"?<br>
> Thanx,<br>
> Dave<br>
><br>
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:45:19 -0500<br>
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Not sure if this is how I "reply"...<br>
Brad:<br>
- Elive O/S is free for 32 bit and donation ($5 Paypal) for 64 bit<br>
- Opera is available on the 32 bit ISO that you download -or- you can add<br>
it later through Synaptic Pkg Mgr<br>
- I added NoScript extension to Firefox & Opera<br>
- not great, but faster - thanks!<br>
- I look on this mini-me as an academic exercise... a portable browsing<br>
"LinuxBook" :-)<br>
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Remi:<br>
- 2Gb total in 1 slot<br>
- "free"... used 952 + swap 0 < 2014<br>
- "top" when resting (just Terminal loaded) %CPU of ~11 %Memory ~5%<br>
- "top" when Opera loaded and accessing CBC %CPU ~85-95-113 %Memory<br>
~10-20<br>
- when browsers (Opera or Firefox) load, they send the CPU to ~115%<br>
- the Intel Atom may be the bottleneck<br>
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Thanx,<br>
Dave<br>
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