[Bglug] Proton Drive
moralater9 at gmail.com
Fri Feb 19 14:40:21 EST 2021
heard good things about sync.com, relatively cheap (5gb free; $8/mo
for the basic paid plan)
On 19/02/2021, ted leslie <ted.leslie at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just to be clear, not sure it was a rhetorical question, but for everyones
> info if they don't know.
> ZK means the supplier doesn't keep or have any way of getting the key to
> decrypt. To them,
> all your data can ever be is just "same what" random bits (assuming quantum
> comp. doesn't
> change that soon).
> If the vender has access to your key, then your data is only as safe as
> their key storage, and also
> they can be asked, depending on circumstances, and country, to turn over
> Of course other issues are.Vender says (even with audit) they don't read
> your key, but you still have to
> trust their local app on your machine, What gets a bit scary is if you
> choose to use web access.
> Then you have to trust that the web page does local java script key input
> and decryption (local run
> java code for decrypt/crypt algos) and that this is safe, audited, etc.
> One , probably, good solution is a ZK with a open source compiled local run
> app, and you trust the community
> is vetting the source so as to see the key is not used other than in local
> If they use major trusted auditors, then there is some warm feeling on
> their code base (i guess).
> The bulletproof ZK is to get a storage and small compute account, and use
> things (linux) like remote block device
> level protocol and iScsi emulation, with this you are the single person in
> control, and the server has your
> encrypted bytes, and a block level/iScsi setup to deliver those encrytped
> bytes back to you, but even the
> the decision of block level placement etc is done on your host. This
> however is brutal for performance access,
> as your local host is delivering basically block access r/w directions over
> the internet (it assumes this is local network).
> I have set up the above and it worked, but any break in network
> communications causes the disk to have to
> rebuild/check. So I had to use checkpoints (frequently) and rebuild, etc.
> Optimal solution but at a cost to
> having to have the knowledge and the time (and pain of admin).
> I think tesorit is basically doing the above, but it is built with fault
> tolerance on the block level, and its
> a constantly versioning file system, so they are usually only writing and
> not erasing (i.e. zfs like i did), often,
> with some clean up running as needed.
> Tesorit is fantastic, back when I used it, Apple used it for their Health
> Record project (giving it a brand name
> trust level), but the cost is just crazy.
> Agin, if someone finds a good ZK solution provider that is reasonably
> priced, do a follow up post, i only R&D
> 3 years ago, so not up-to-date on pricing.
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 8:50 AM Anthony Morassutti <moralater9 at gmail.com>
>> yeah, I saw that complaint a lot about tresorit, and decided with once
>> I need one probably sync.com unless something changes
>> and yeah, what's the point of paying for a non-zero-knowledge cloud
>> storage ?
>> On 18/02/2021, ted leslie <ted.leslie at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Doesn't seem to say its zero-knowledge (like tresorit),
>> > not to sure how useful a non zero-knowledge cloud store is.
>> > If it is indeed ZK, post here (give) update, i used tresorit, but too
>> > expensive.
>> > -tl
>> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 8:13 AM Brad Rodriguez <brad at bradrodriguez.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> I know we have some ProtonMail users on this list, so I thought I'd
>> >> pass
>> >> this on. They're now introducing Proton Drive for encrypted cloud
>> >> storage. The beta is available to some (paid) customers:
>> >> https://protonmail.com/blog/proton-drive-early-access/
>> >> And yes, I know this news is three months old. Such news travels
>> >> slowly
>> >> to these parts.
>> >> - Brad
>> >> --
>> >> brad at bradrodriguez.com
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