[Bglug] Proton Drive

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Just in case you wanted an Open Source Linux based solution.
You can simply use a nextcloud instance.

You can either host on your home computer, or on a Linode (they have
ones in Toronto, starting at $5/mth).

Here is a brief tutorial on how to get a nextcloud instance running,
just a few lines:
https://keheira.com/nexcloud-on-linode/

Personally I just use my home server, since then all the data always
stays with me, then don't need to worry about ZK and whatever else.

On 2021-02-19 2:40 p.m., Anthony Morassutti wrote:
>=20
> heard good things about sync.com, relatively cheap (5gb free; $8/mo
> for the basic paid plan), it's canadian too :)
>=20
> On 19/02/2021, Anthony Morassutti <moralater9 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> heard good things about sync.com, relatively cheap (5gb free; $8/mo
>> for the basic paid plan)
>>
>> On 19/02/2021, ted leslie <ted.leslie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Just to be clear, not sure it was a rhetorical question, but for
>>> everyones
>>> info if they don't know.
>>> ZK means the supplier doesn't keep or have any way of getting the key=
 to
>>> decrypt. To them,
>>> all your data can ever be is just "same what" random bits (assuming
>>> quantum
>>> comp. doesn't
>>> change that soon).
>>> If the vender has access to your key, then your data is only as safe =
as
>>> their key storage, and also
>>> they can be asked, depending on circumstances, and country, to turn o=
ver
>>> key.
>>>
>>> Of course other issues are.Vender says (even with audit) they don't r=
ead
>>> your key, but you still have to
>>> trust their local app on your machine, What gets a bit scary is if yo=
u
>>> choose to use web access.
>>> Then you have to trust that the web page does local java script key i=
nput
>>> and decryption  (local run
>>> java code for decrypt/crypt algos) and that this is safe, audited, et=
c.
>>>
>>> One , probably, good solution is a ZK with a open source compiled loc=
al
>>> run
>>> app, and you trust the community
>>> is vetting the source so as to see the key is not used other than in
>>> local
>>> decrypt/encrypt.
>>> If they use major trusted auditors, then there is some warm feeling o=
n
>>> their code base (i guess).
>>>
>>> The bulletproof ZK is to get a storage and small compute account, and=
 use
>>> things (linux) like remote block device
>>> level protocol and iScsi emulation, with this you are the single pers=
on
>>> in
>>> control, and the server has your
>>> encrypted bytes, and a block level/iScsi setup to deliver those encry=
tped
>>> bytes back to you, but even the
>>> the decision of block level placement etc is done on your host. This
>>> however is brutal for performance access,
>>> as your local host is delivering basically block access r/w direction=
s
>>> over
>>> the internet (it assumes this is local network).
>>> I have set up the above and it worked, but any break in network
>>> communications causes the disk to have to
>>> rebuild/check. So I had to use checkpoints (frequently) and rebuild, =
etc.
>>> Optimal solution but at a cost to
>>> having to have the knowledge and the time (and pain of admin).
>>> I think tesorit is basically doing the above, but it is built with fa=
ult
>>> tolerance on the block level, and its
>>> a constantly versioning file system, so they are usually only writing=
 and
>>> not erasing (i.e. zfs like i did), often,
>>> with some clean up running as needed.
>>> Tesorit is fantastic, back when I used it, Apple used it for their He=
alth
>>> Record project (giving it a brand name
>>> trust level), but the cost is just crazy.
>>>
>>> Agin, if someone finds a good ZK solution provider that is reasonably=

>>> priced, do a follow up post, i only R&D
>>> 3 years ago, so not up-to-date on pricing.
>>>
>>> -tl
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 8:50 AM Anthony Morassutti <moralater9 at gmail.=
com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> yeah, I saw that complaint a lot about tresorit, and decided with on=
ce
>>>> I need one probably sync.com unless something changes
>>>>
>>>> and yeah, what's the point of paying for a non-zero-knowledge cloud
>>>> storage ?
>>>>
>>>> On 18/02/2021, ted leslie <ted.leslie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Doesn't seem to say its zero-knowledge (like tresorit),
>>>>> not to sure how useful a non zero-knowledge cloud store is.
>>>>> If it is indeed ZK,  post here (give) update, i used tresorit, but =
too
>>>>> expensive.
>>>>>
>>>>> -tl
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 8:13 AM Brad Rodriguez
>>>>> <brad at bradrodriguez.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know we have some ProtonMail users on this list, so I thought I'=
d
>>>>>> pass
>>>>>> this on.  They're now introducing Proton Drive for encrypted cloud=

>>>>>> storage.  The beta is available to some (paid) customers:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://protonmail.com/blog/proton-drive-early-access/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yes, I know this news is three months old.  Such news travels
>>>>>> slowly
>>>>>> to these parts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Brad
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> brad at bradrodriguez.com
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